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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
		<link>http://profacero.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/more-support-for-the-opposition-to-al-anon-and-twelve-stepping/#comment-23389</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
		<link>http://profacero.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/more-support-for-the-opposition-to-al-anon-and-twelve-stepping/#comment-23388</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Lacan thought that language (or, from what I have read, more accurately -- &quot;words&quot;) are the map of the unconscious, and there is only an empty hole for ego.  So, in effect his writing is an elucidation of the unconscious, which disappears, like mist, once one starts to become conscious.  (I once made a joke of this nature about Marechera&#039;s Black Sunlight, and I was considered mad. I was not, though.  Merely being sharp about my subject matter.)

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Yeah, I think the ambiguity in the iceman&#039;s formula would be if the embrace of death was really a metaphysical one -- one that gave you peace of mind in a magical sense, rather than in the sense of actually killing oneself inwardly (which would be the psychological sense of it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Lacan thought that language (or, from what I have read, more accurately &#8212; &#8220;words&#8221;) are the map of the unconscious, and there is only an empty hole for ego.  So, in effect his writing is an elucidation of the unconscious, which disappears, like mist, once one starts to become conscious.  (I once made a joke of this nature about Marechera&#8217;s Black Sunlight, and I was considered mad. I was not, though.  Merely being sharp about my subject matter.)</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
Yeah, I think the ambiguity in the iceman&#8217;s formula would be if the embrace of death was really a metaphysical one &#8212; one that gave you peace of mind in a magical sense, rather than in the sense of actually killing oneself inwardly (which would be the psychological sense of it).</p>
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		<title>By: profacero</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes re cutting losses. Lacan, I still don&#039;t think I understand - only while I am literally studying, then he evaporates for me. Ambiguous formula, why? Doesn&#039;t the one lead to the other ... ? It&#039;s what Reeducation recommended: accept reality and kill originality. It&#039;s common, although people don&#039;t admit that, which is why I want to see the play ... or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes re cutting losses. Lacan, I still don&#8217;t think I understand &#8211; only while I am literally studying, then he evaporates for me. Ambiguous formula, why? Doesn&#8217;t the one lead to the other &#8230; ? It&#8217;s what Reeducation recommended: accept reality and kill originality. It&#8217;s common, although people don&#8217;t admit that, which is why I want to see the play &#8230; or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
		<link>http://profacero.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/more-support-for-the-opposition-to-al-anon-and-twelve-stepping/#comment-23381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving up dreams and embracing death seems to me a very ambiguous formula. I actually wonder whether Marechera saw the movie (which he references indrectly in his work).  Perhaps he thought it might have been a good idea on some level -- that is, if he gave the proposition a metaphysical rather than psychological reading.

In the book on Lacan I have just read, the author says that Lacanianism was about realising that the ego is empty.  This is, I would say, akin to Buddhism, which also counsels a certain ascetic indifference to life&#039;s possibilities.  However, I can also see how this idea as per Lacan can be very healthy too, if you are in a society which is generally sick, because it is better to have a calm mind and a nurtured indifference to how others see you than to chase after all sorts of things that you just &quot;have to have&quot;. If you are genuinely gifted and talented it is better to cut your losses so far as social awards and recognition goes -- and just let it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving up dreams and embracing death seems to me a very ambiguous formula. I actually wonder whether Marechera saw the movie (which he references indrectly in his work).  Perhaps he thought it might have been a good idea on some level &#8212; that is, if he gave the proposition a metaphysical rather than psychological reading.</p>
<p>In the book on Lacan I have just read, the author says that Lacanianism was about realising that the ego is empty.  This is, I would say, akin to Buddhism, which also counsels a certain ascetic indifference to life&#8217;s possibilities.  However, I can also see how this idea as per Lacan can be very healthy too, if you are in a society which is generally sick, because it is better to have a calm mind and a nurtured indifference to how others see you than to chase after all sorts of things that you just &#8220;have to have&#8221;. If you are genuinely gifted and talented it is better to cut your losses so far as social awards and recognition goes &#8212; and just let it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: profacero</title>
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		<dc:creator>profacero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *need* to see The Iceman  Cometh, I never have. Giving up dreams and embracing death is a *value* of certain people I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *need* to see The Iceman  Cometh, I never have. Giving up dreams and embracing death is a *value* of certain people I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
		<link>http://profacero.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/more-support-for-the-opposition-to-al-anon-and-twelve-stepping/#comment-23379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well it is a mode that suits those who have given up on the possibility of thinking for themselves because they consider it to be too frightening, too arousing of superego, or just too difficult.

I saw The Iceman Cometh last night.  I&#039;m still thinking about the ambiguous message it imparted, concerning giving up one one&#039;s dreams and embracing death in order to find peace.  It seems to be the state of being that a lot of people find themselves in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well it is a mode that suits those who have given up on the possibility of thinking for themselves because they consider it to be too frightening, too arousing of superego, or just too difficult.</p>
<p>I saw The Iceman Cometh last night.  I&#8217;m still thinking about the ambiguous message it imparted, concerning giving up one one&#8217;s dreams and embracing death in order to find peace.  It seems to be the state of being that a lot of people find themselves in.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - it&#039;s tiring !!! But it is true that the majority want these absolute statements, consider they are knowledge, etc. It is amazing.

It also amazes me that this more or less sums up the deep structure of Reeducation: &quot;The absolutist approach is kind of like the 1950s idea of authentic manhood. You know, you tell the woman what she ought to do and what she ought to be thinking. That is the only way to save her from her own hysteria.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; it&#8217;s tiring !!! But it is true that the majority want these absolute statements, consider they are knowledge, etc. It is amazing.</p>
<p>It also amazes me that this more or less sums up the deep structure of Reeducation: &#8220;The absolutist approach is kind of like the 1950s idea of authentic manhood. You know, you tell the woman what she ought to do and what she ought to be thinking. That is the only way to save her from her own hysteria.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, actually I think that what I&#039;ve said above explains a lot to me about all sorts of things, upon even closer reflection.

Making absolute statements that I don&#039;t actually concur with is very stressful.  You adopt a posture that is totally unnatural in doing so.  No wonder this took all my energy and then some.  Always to check oneself that one does not make a natural feeling statement, but the expected unnatural one, is tiring.  And no wonder I used to rebel, and sometimes let out a number of conditional statements and then look around challengingly to see the response.  Ah!  It is difficult to have to fight oneself in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, actually I think that what I&#8217;ve said above explains a lot to me about all sorts of things, upon even closer reflection.</p>
<p>Making absolute statements that I don&#8217;t actually concur with is very stressful.  You adopt a posture that is totally unnatural in doing so.  No wonder this took all my energy and then some.  Always to check oneself that one does not make a natural feeling statement, but the expected unnatural one, is tiring.  And no wonder I used to rebel, and sometimes let out a number of conditional statements and then look around challengingly to see the response.  Ah!  It is difficult to have to fight oneself in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The absolutist approach is kind of like the 1950s idea of authentic manhood.  You know, you tell the woman what she ought to do and what she ought to be thinking.  That is the only way to save her from her own hysteria.  

It really seems that this is what those here who do not have at least a bachelor&#039;s degree seem to want.  They want some harsh rule setter to come down from the sky and tell them what is what.  They want the authoritative recipe for life&#039;s success.  And yes they do see this as kind -- even godlike.

By contrast, they read an enlightened approach to learning as so much dithering and uncertainty.  The conditional statement is read in this way.  It is not read as a statement of knowledge (in the positive sense) but as an emotional statement (in the negative sense).  The absolute statement is read as the only form that a statement of knowledge can present itself in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absolutist approach is kind of like the 1950s idea of authentic manhood.  You know, you tell the woman what she ought to do and what she ought to be thinking.  That is the only way to save her from her own hysteria.  </p>
<p>It really seems that this is what those here who do not have at least a bachelor&#8217;s degree seem to want.  They want some harsh rule setter to come down from the sky and tell them what is what.  They want the authoritative recipe for life&#8217;s success.  And yes they do see this as kind &#8212; even godlike.</p>
<p>By contrast, they read an enlightened approach to learning as so much dithering and uncertainty.  The conditional statement is read in this way.  It is not read as a statement of knowledge (in the positive sense) but as an emotional statement (in the negative sense).  The absolute statement is read as the only form that a statement of knowledge can present itself in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cascadia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cascadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The undead see the conditional statements as scary because they remind the undead that they do not have a capacity to think in nuances or to negotiate life on the basis of its complexities.  I think my parents used to be quite alive, but gradually reverted to the ranks of the undead, when they saw they did&#039;t have a lot of choices in life anyway, and came to think that reflection was an activity of pointless vanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The undead see the conditional statements as scary because they remind the undead that they do not have a capacity to think in nuances or to negotiate life on the basis of its complexities.  I think my parents used to be quite alive, but gradually reverted to the ranks of the undead, when they saw they did&#8217;t have a lot of choices in life anyway, and came to think that reflection was an activity of pointless vanity.</p>
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